#2 Foresail > Forums > J35 Class Association

Forums

Subject: #2 Foresail

You are not authorized to post a reply.

Author

Messages

Geoffrey Roulet
Posts:3

10/22/2007 11:38 PM
When I purchased my J35, Jeannie (formerly Red) it had a variety of #1 foresails (148-150%) and a #3 (105%). I am considering buying a #2, but have been given confusing advice from sail makers. They suggest a sail in the range of 145%. This does not seem like much of a drop from 150%. How much use is a #2? What is the common step as wind builds #1 - #2 - #3 or do people just jump from #1 directly to a #3? What do most J35s carry as a #2 (%)? Thanks Geoff Roulet

William Wildner
Posts:36

10/23/2007 11:41 AM
Geoff, We sail with an AP 155%, and our #2 is more of a heavy 1 as it is 149%. This choice may be more in that we use the boat for racing only. With this configuration the range of the #2 is fairly narrow for our style of sailing 17-20kts. Some of the other boats in our one design fleet also have a #2 of this size and use it in winds of 13-19kts. We also use max class allowable size for this #2 as it can serve as a backup for the AP#1. This #2 is not just a little smaller, it is also cut flatter so it has less power and makes it easier to de-power the boat and sail on its feet in breeze. In most years we will use the #2 once or twice sometimes never. It is the least used sail on the boat as we often go right from the #1 to the #3. for us the #3 is used in winds over 20kts. Summary of our head sails: #1 AP155% 0-18kts #2 145% 17-20kts #3 105% 20-34kts Bill

tom tepas
Posts:8

10/23/2007 10:04 PM
Are you going to sail Phrf,one design, or just for fun?I have a #2 that I use all of the time for either Phrf racing 15 to 20 true, and it is great for pleasure sailing. If I go out with my wife and dont want her ,or myself to wrestle around a large headsail, or have to change up or down on sail size my 2 at around 135 % is a greatr workhorse. you cant wreck it with too much wind, and it always has enough power to move the boat. Tom T

William Wildner
Posts:36

10/24/2007 9:01 PM
Made a typo in last post. My #2 is more like 149% So it should have read Summary of our head sails: #1 AP155% 0-18kts #2 149% 17-20kts #3 105% 20-34kts Sorry if that caused confusion. Bill

Geoffrey Roulet
Posts:3

10/25/2007 11:19 AM
Bill and Tom thank you for the info. I made an error in my initial posting and should have said my three #1 sails run 150 - 155%. One of my #1s is similar to yours Bill - about 150%, very heavy and with a cut away head. I have used this occasionally as the wind builds to about 20 kts, but I have found that then we soon need to drop down to my #3 to keep the boat standing up. With the #3 we still have good speed. I should measure this smaller #1 again. Maybe it is a class allowed #2. Like Tom I use a smaller headsail when out with my wife or other casual sailors. All of my #1s are just too much work to trim and I found that there can be general panic when the boat heels. My #3 works fine for this. Tom can you sheet in your 135% sail and still keep its shape? Looking at the locations of the shrouds and the Genoa track it looks as if the foot of the sail could become bent around the shrouds under hard sheeting? Geoff

tom tepas
Posts:8

10/25/2007 7:36 PM
Geoff the sail trims in fine ,the clew winds up around the front of rear genoa track. Where do you sail out of??/. Im sure any sailmaker that you choose would measure your boat first and then build you a sail that would complement your needs. Tom

Robert Gordenker
Posts:25

10/27/2007 7:15 PM
Geoff, This has been the subject of much discussion and debate on TIME MACHINE. We sailed in the latest North Americans with only a #1 and #3, skipping the #2. The thinking was to minimize all the chaos that comes with the sailchanges. For PHRF racing, round the beer-cans, we have the 'standard' #1(155%), #2 (149%), #3 (105%) and on the distance races #4 (a short hoist 105%. We find that for a wednesday evening race (7 miles) we are using the #2 more and more. Easier to tack, since it's cut with a high clew and saves the expensive #1. Unless the wind is less than 5 knots, we don't give up any places to the other J/35&T/35 boats or on rating either. I don't know if it helps, but a good barberhauler to pull the clew of the 135% straight outboard just enough, sheeted to the cabin top would probably give you the shape that you are looking for. For transports and just heading out for a pleasure sail..... the 105% is the way to go. You can tack and not spill your drink! Robert

Geoffrey Roulet
Posts:3

10/30/2007 11:35 PM
I sail out of Collins Bay Yacht Club in Kingston at the eastern end of Lake Ontario. John Clark of Kingston Sail Loft measured the boat and was to build me a 135% #2, but was concerned about sail shape when sheeted hard, ie wrap around the shrouds. We figured the clew would need to be cut high and we might need to add an outboard Genoa track; something I did not want to do. The barberhauler is a much nicer solution. Given that I already have the 105% #3 and a heavy 149% #1 (or #2) with a cut away head I may put my wish for the 135% #2 on the shelf for this year and save my funds for the new #1 I will need soon. Thanks to all for the advice. Geoff

You are not authorized to post a reply.

Discussion Forms